>: 85 JUGHEAD
Always good news to get a Desmond-centric. Was quite worried once I realized that he was going for a doc and “there’s a lot of blood, man”, just sure that Penny was about to lose the baby because, hey, it’s not like there was one last week. But just another trick, all is well. A healthy baby. Which is kind of starting to freak me/us out. I mean, surely we’re done now, but if there’s some new kid in the mix next week . . .
Then Des talking to the kid about an island, you know there’s no chance it’s THAT island. Penny is not happy about matters. It’s a Desmond episode! Can we expect, gasp, time traveling?
Yes, haha, but not with our favorite Scot. Billy Pilgrim has been grounded.
Can’t believe those two guys with Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles weren’t wearing red shirts, too. The bad guys show up with guns and bows and arrows, which shoots down my thought that the latest flash landed our people right in the middle of a situation involving fire-arrow shooting natives/Others and 60s era Dharma people personified by the English chap who wanted to cut off Juliet’s hand last week. Probably the same crew.
And that weird little chick saunters in. Nice first-person shooter camera angle of her gun finding Faraday. “You just couldn’t stay away.” totally seems to imply that his future self is going to cause all kinds of trouble for his past self. Though that appears not to be the case.
And what, the Locke/Sawyer/Juliet contingent has just been holding those dudes hostage, mute, since dark? Terrible exposition, I mean, it’s like someone hit a pause button at the end of last episode, then hours go by while the sun comes up, etc, then as soon as the camera comes on, everybody starts talking, complete with Locke dropping the when/where substitution which, you know, I’m always a sucker for, but it was very cool last May when I was thinking/preaching it and great to get confirmation from Faraday at the top of the season, but that sailboat has now sailed, let’s keep dancing and forget that little bit of wordplay.
The Others knowing Latin was a nice detail (though it seemed strange, Juliet calling them Others. I mean, how do they refer to themselves minus the context of our protagonists? “We’re Others, Juliet.”)
Great moment, coming to the future site of New Otherton. She said “Richard” but I still didn’t make it out on the first watch, great sight to see him stride out of the shadow there. “I assume you’ve come back for your bomb.” is just a hell of a way to go to commercial.
And back to Oxford. Same location as Desmond’s abbey, I remember from some DVD extra. Quite a shame to see Faraday’s chalkboard blank, I thought the end of Season 6 was going to be on there. It was, you know, but someone erased it. Ben, I think.
And oh man, Daniel’s look-Richard-in-the-eye proclamation of love was some kind of overwrought. Not out of character, mind, I was just missing Catherine the first time through, because that kind of stuff drives her mad. And Richard’s just like, Yah of course. But confirmation of an H-bomb on-island IS crazy times.
And Juliet does such a good job, moves Cunningham. But “Jones” is a hardcore customer, not above breaking his mate’s neck and hightailing it, serious business out of nowhere.
All right, the business with Faraday’s comatose time-travel victim confused me, just because I thought that that picture was of him and his mom, not his guinea pig, so for Desmond’s entire visit, wasn’t quite sure if this lady was her or not, because she seemed too young. But no. Obviously.
Oh man, and the awkward Faraday/Charlotte “you didn’t have to say that” bit. You’ve got to feel so bad for Miles there in the middle of it, I felt bad for me on the couch. Here’s the thing. We all, along with Charlotte (who speaks Korean so doesn’t need the subtitles) heard Sun and Jin talk about Daniel’s affection for Charlotte last season, that’s the way that the plot point first surfaced, so now for her to be all namby-pamby about it just tracks as awkward, whether she’s feigning ignorance or not. Meh. Nuff said.
I like Richard just dropping in the justification of killing 18 army boys to Daniel. And he talks about chain of command, just Jacob or someone else? (I want Kristofferson as Jacob at the end) Charlie Widmore’s “Shut up, Ellie.” is the line of the night in hindsight, stay tuned. And then he follows it up with the one-two of calling Faraday “one of them” and challenging Locke’s on-island tracking ability. Ha.
Man, though, that following exchange between Locke and Juliet is almost too much, strains credulity for anyone but Locke. Because if Sawyer or I had been in the frame for:
LOCKE: How did you know Richard would be here?
JULIET: Richard’s always been here.
LOCKE: How old is he?
JULIET: Old.
_then at that point, moony eyes or not, that woman would have gotten shaken within an inch of her life until she fucking disclosed every remotely relevant detail concerning Richard Alpert, Other/Native orientation/indoctrination, four-toed statues, polar bear wheels, and the electromagnetic gate that keeps out possibly nanotech black smoke monsters. I mean, great scene for Season 2, but I almost reached through the screen and started choking her myself. “Old? Old? Was he on the Black Rock, you coy bitch? I think he was, I think he was! Give us a when/where substitution with regard to that! Tell me everything you know about the pirate ship! And Magnus Hanso, let it all out!”
*gasp*
And Locke still has just not learned. The last time Richard saw him, he explicitly told Locke that he would not recognize him when next they met, but Locke just wants to bop down into the tents and pick up where they left off. I need this series to end with Season One Locke and Bearded Jack showing up at the top of the finale to save us all. By arguing about whether or not to push a button, perhaps.
All right, the best thing about this episode (except, possibly, the bomb being called JUGHEAD) is the implied revelation with Faraday and the angry little English (?) chick. As soon as he told her she looked like someone, I was sure that she was his previously mentioned mother. They called her Ellie. What was the name of the rat that he was running through the maze with Desmond back in THE CONSTANT? Eloise! And she’s almost rocking that Princess Leia thing that Finoula Flanagan had going on at the end of last week (to say nothing of the Jedi robe). Sickness.
But, oh, his advice. BURY IT? Because it hasn’t exploded yet? Brilliant physicist, never never forget the advice that Jack Napier/Nicholson gave corrupt cop Eckhardt in Burton’s ’89 BATMAN flick. Think about the future! There are like 30 episodes left, dude! What happens when you flash into 2009/07/whenever?!?!?
(is there any chance that we could ever get a far-future cyberflash?)
The Daniel's Mum bit is confirmed next scene three (or 54, really) years later when Desmond storms right into the lion’s mouth/Widmore’s office and demands the location of Faraday’s mother. Well, of course she’s in L.A. with Ben and her fantastic Dharma island-location equipment. Confirmation, I say.
So, think about it, NOW Desmond is sailing for California to find Eloise, which is all well and good, except she’s hanging out with Ben who has sworn to revenge himself upon Widmore by killing Penny, who just happens to be riding shotgun.
And great moment there, the guy in the Jones uniform really being Charles Widmore! Locke played that so well. That’s wild, though. I mean Ben either hasn’t been conceived yet or is just a despised infant and Widmore’s already a self-proclaimed expert on every inch of the island. I always assumed that he was some kind of exploitative corporate type, and he might yet be, but Widmore appears to have seniority in every way that matters. Real interesting shift in our perception of the Ben/Widmore dynamic.
And aw, little man Hume is Charlie. I bet he’s not named after his Granddaddy.
And Locke can sense the flashes coming? Wonder if that’s got something to do with what a special guy he is.
Real interesting episode. They kept things moving and stayed out of Los Angeles entirely (which I can’t believe I’m typing about this show). The big 4 take-home bits are: (1) Widmore and (2) Ellie Faraday (just remembering, wasn’t she called Hawking back in 3.8:FLASHES BEFORE YOUR EYES? Subtle bit of proper nouning, that) were part of Richard’s ’54 Native crew. Those two have manipulated Desmond and the three freighter-folk onto the island. So while we still have no idea how or why THOSE 48 SURVIVORS happened to be on 815, we now have a reasonable guess for the identities of those who are responsible for all the add-ons since. (3) The U.S. government knew about and could access the Island in 1954 and (4) left freaking Jughead swaying there on that shoddy scaffold in dire need of love and affection. I’m sure he eventually got buried. But I don’t feel very good about it (though the presence of Adam and Eve might should reassure me).
Loops and loops.
(and for some reason, lately, 2.17 LOCKDOWN is just really bothering me. Everyone keeps saying that Ben’s crew had no idea about the Hatch/Swan and the numbers but unless some improbable third party swooped in at the end of that episode and keyed in those wonderful digits to Desmond and Brother Justin’s computer while Locke was pinned down under the door wondering about Radzinsky's black-light map, then it was Ben who saved the world that time. Though of course he lied about it a few minutes later to John, which coupled with the Pearl orientation film, toppled his faith. Probably nothing, but seems important, the way Hurley and/or Juliet made a point of saying it last week.)
Then Des talking to the kid about an island, you know there’s no chance it’s THAT island. Penny is not happy about matters. It’s a Desmond episode! Can we expect, gasp, time traveling?
Yes, haha, but not with our favorite Scot. Billy Pilgrim has been grounded.
Can’t believe those two guys with Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles weren’t wearing red shirts, too. The bad guys show up with guns and bows and arrows, which shoots down my thought that the latest flash landed our people right in the middle of a situation involving fire-arrow shooting natives/Others and 60s era Dharma people personified by the English chap who wanted to cut off Juliet’s hand last week. Probably the same crew.
And that weird little chick saunters in. Nice first-person shooter camera angle of her gun finding Faraday. “You just couldn’t stay away.” totally seems to imply that his future self is going to cause all kinds of trouble for his past self. Though that appears not to be the case.
And what, the Locke/Sawyer/Juliet contingent has just been holding those dudes hostage, mute, since dark? Terrible exposition, I mean, it’s like someone hit a pause button at the end of last episode, then hours go by while the sun comes up, etc, then as soon as the camera comes on, everybody starts talking, complete with Locke dropping the when/where substitution which, you know, I’m always a sucker for, but it was very cool last May when I was thinking/preaching it and great to get confirmation from Faraday at the top of the season, but that sailboat has now sailed, let’s keep dancing and forget that little bit of wordplay.
The Others knowing Latin was a nice detail (though it seemed strange, Juliet calling them Others. I mean, how do they refer to themselves minus the context of our protagonists? “We’re Others, Juliet.”)
Great moment, coming to the future site of New Otherton. She said “Richard” but I still didn’t make it out on the first watch, great sight to see him stride out of the shadow there. “I assume you’ve come back for your bomb.” is just a hell of a way to go to commercial.
And back to Oxford. Same location as Desmond’s abbey, I remember from some DVD extra. Quite a shame to see Faraday’s chalkboard blank, I thought the end of Season 6 was going to be on there. It was, you know, but someone erased it. Ben, I think.
And oh man, Daniel’s look-Richard-in-the-eye proclamation of love was some kind of overwrought. Not out of character, mind, I was just missing Catherine the first time through, because that kind of stuff drives her mad. And Richard’s just like, Yah of course. But confirmation of an H-bomb on-island IS crazy times.
And Juliet does such a good job, moves Cunningham. But “Jones” is a hardcore customer, not above breaking his mate’s neck and hightailing it, serious business out of nowhere.
All right, the business with Faraday’s comatose time-travel victim confused me, just because I thought that that picture was of him and his mom, not his guinea pig, so for Desmond’s entire visit, wasn’t quite sure if this lady was her or not, because she seemed too young. But no. Obviously.
Oh man, and the awkward Faraday/Charlotte “you didn’t have to say that” bit. You’ve got to feel so bad for Miles there in the middle of it, I felt bad for me on the couch. Here’s the thing. We all, along with Charlotte (who speaks Korean so doesn’t need the subtitles) heard Sun and Jin talk about Daniel’s affection for Charlotte last season, that’s the way that the plot point first surfaced, so now for her to be all namby-pamby about it just tracks as awkward, whether she’s feigning ignorance or not. Meh. Nuff said.
I like Richard just dropping in the justification of killing 18 army boys to Daniel. And he talks about chain of command, just Jacob or someone else? (I want Kristofferson as Jacob at the end) Charlie Widmore’s “Shut up, Ellie.” is the line of the night in hindsight, stay tuned. And then he follows it up with the one-two of calling Faraday “one of them” and challenging Locke’s on-island tracking ability. Ha.
Man, though, that following exchange between Locke and Juliet is almost too much, strains credulity for anyone but Locke. Because if Sawyer or I had been in the frame for:
LOCKE: How did you know Richard would be here?
JULIET: Richard’s always been here.
LOCKE: How old is he?
JULIET: Old.
_then at that point, moony eyes or not, that woman would have gotten shaken within an inch of her life until she fucking disclosed every remotely relevant detail concerning Richard Alpert, Other/Native orientation/indoctrination, four-toed statues, polar bear wheels, and the electromagnetic gate that keeps out possibly nanotech black smoke monsters. I mean, great scene for Season 2, but I almost reached through the screen and started choking her myself. “Old? Old? Was he on the Black Rock, you coy bitch? I think he was, I think he was! Give us a when/where substitution with regard to that! Tell me everything you know about the pirate ship! And Magnus Hanso, let it all out!”
*gasp*
And Locke still has just not learned. The last time Richard saw him, he explicitly told Locke that he would not recognize him when next they met, but Locke just wants to bop down into the tents and pick up where they left off. I need this series to end with Season One Locke and Bearded Jack showing up at the top of the finale to save us all. By arguing about whether or not to push a button, perhaps.
All right, the best thing about this episode (except, possibly, the bomb being called JUGHEAD) is the implied revelation with Faraday and the angry little English (?) chick. As soon as he told her she looked like someone, I was sure that she was his previously mentioned mother. They called her Ellie. What was the name of the rat that he was running through the maze with Desmond back in THE CONSTANT? Eloise! And she’s almost rocking that Princess Leia thing that Finoula Flanagan had going on at the end of last week (to say nothing of the Jedi robe). Sickness.
But, oh, his advice. BURY IT? Because it hasn’t exploded yet? Brilliant physicist, never never forget the advice that Jack Napier/Nicholson gave corrupt cop Eckhardt in Burton’s ’89 BATMAN flick. Think about the future! There are like 30 episodes left, dude! What happens when you flash into 2009/07/whenever?!?!?
(is there any chance that we could ever get a far-future cyberflash?)
The Daniel's Mum bit is confirmed next scene three (or 54, really) years later when Desmond storms right into the lion’s mouth/Widmore’s office and demands the location of Faraday’s mother. Well, of course she’s in L.A. with Ben and her fantastic Dharma island-location equipment. Confirmation, I say.
So, think about it, NOW Desmond is sailing for California to find Eloise, which is all well and good, except she’s hanging out with Ben who has sworn to revenge himself upon Widmore by killing Penny, who just happens to be riding shotgun.
And great moment there, the guy in the Jones uniform really being Charles Widmore! Locke played that so well. That’s wild, though. I mean Ben either hasn’t been conceived yet or is just a despised infant and Widmore’s already a self-proclaimed expert on every inch of the island. I always assumed that he was some kind of exploitative corporate type, and he might yet be, but Widmore appears to have seniority in every way that matters. Real interesting shift in our perception of the Ben/Widmore dynamic.
And aw, little man Hume is Charlie. I bet he’s not named after his Granddaddy.
And Locke can sense the flashes coming? Wonder if that’s got something to do with what a special guy he is.
Real interesting episode. They kept things moving and stayed out of Los Angeles entirely (which I can’t believe I’m typing about this show). The big 4 take-home bits are: (1) Widmore and (2) Ellie Faraday (just remembering, wasn’t she called Hawking back in 3.8:FLASHES BEFORE YOUR EYES? Subtle bit of proper nouning, that) were part of Richard’s ’54 Native crew. Those two have manipulated Desmond and the three freighter-folk onto the island. So while we still have no idea how or why THOSE 48 SURVIVORS happened to be on 815, we now have a reasonable guess for the identities of those who are responsible for all the add-ons since. (3) The U.S. government knew about and could access the Island in 1954 and (4) left freaking Jughead swaying there on that shoddy scaffold in dire need of love and affection. I’m sure he eventually got buried. But I don’t feel very good about it (though the presence of Adam and Eve might should reassure me).
Loops and loops.
(and for some reason, lately, 2.17 LOCKDOWN is just really bothering me. Everyone keeps saying that Ben’s crew had no idea about the Hatch/Swan and the numbers but unless some improbable third party swooped in at the end of that episode and keyed in those wonderful digits to Desmond and Brother Justin’s computer while Locke was pinned down under the door wondering about Radzinsky's black-light map, then it was Ben who saved the world that time. Though of course he lied about it a few minutes later to John, which coupled with the Pearl orientation film, toppled his faith. Probably nothing, but seems important, the way Hurley and/or Juliet made a point of saying it last week.)
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